In online spaces it would seem that leftists truly despise anyone that is right of them even if they agree on most issues. I was hoping for some clarity on this please. I understand that most online circles are run by left leaning people with Reddit being even more so. Which can conflate the zeitgeist to seem against democrats despite dems being the largest voting block for the left.
Example would be the drama surrounding H3 in recent months/years. Ethan is very clearly a left leaning person as well as most of his audience. Yet Hasan and many of his friends/fans that claim Ethan is a right wing grifter. Specifically with the recent content cop that was released yesterday.
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In online spaces it would seem that leftists truly despise anyone that is right of them even if they agree on most issues. I was hoping for some clarity on this please. I understand that most online circles are run by left leaning people with Reddit being even more so. Which can conflate the zeitgeist to seem against democrats despite dems being the largest voting block for the left.
Example would be the drama surrounding H3 in recent months/years. Ethan is very clearly a left leaning person as well as most of his audience. Yet Hasan and many of his friends/fans that claim Ethan is a right wing grifter. Specifically with the recent content cop that was released yesterday.
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Because some of them do, and they’re the loudest.
Dogmatic ideologues always hate the heretic more than the nonbeliever.
I haven’t seen that.
Oh you want to see peak “leftist eating anyone who steps out of line?”
Look at the insanity going on with TYT vs the far left literal socialists (like Breadtube has been losing their mind against TYT).
ethan is not left leaning, he constantly says racist shit.
Because they get more right wing legislation passed than Republicans, and they never put up a fight.
>Why does it seem that leftists hate liberals and democrats more than than they dislike republicans?
Ethan Klein is a horrible example. Let’s not call a guy who repeatedly says the N-word left-leaning.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1gr8nzz/an_old_compilation_of_deleted_h3h3_podcast/
I can’t remember who said it, some leftist professor somewhere, but the general idea is that you should focus your attention and action towards the people who are most likely to respond. Liberals and leftists are in an awkward position in this country in the sense that they need to “share” a political party and so liberals to leftists are the people who deserve the most attention and vice versa. The reason that this appears harsh or hateful is because liberals and leftists in politics are generally pretty opposed at least in our current moment.
TL; DR: because liberals will acknowledge (and reciprocate, for that matter) while conservatives won’t even comprehend what is being said.
i think leftists hate democrats and liberals bc they aren’t left enough. if that’s the case, i’m guessing republicans aren’t worth their time. democrats/liberals are within reach.
I think it’s comes down to the fact that the have given up on Republicans doing the right thing, so when they complain they know that only the dems or liberals listen or care about thier constituents. Like they all dislike (think hate is a strong word) the right wing politicians more but there is no point talking about that because everyone knows that, and complaining about the right doesn’t do anything.
As for the h3 stuff, I’m not too w3ll versed on the subject but it really seems like the main guy is following the course of left wing Podcaster that is slowly morphing into right wing grifting, like has happen to others in the past. See Joe rogan for a prime example.
I think of American politics as a modified game of rock, paper, scissors.
The left beats the right with the assistance of the liberals. The right beats the liberals with the assistance of the left. And the liberals beat the left with the assistance of the right. Stay with me on this…
When the liberals are in charge, there’s nothing but denigration of the left to appease the right. In happier times, the liberals view their rivalry with the right as a friendly little competition, but looks down its nose at the leftist ideologues who refuse to put stock in the liberal institutions.
When the right is in charge, it seeks to dominate everyone. That’s just what the right does. The left recognizes them for what they are and, holding their breath, they build alliances with the liberal factions to beat back the fascist inclinations of right-wing populist movements. But it’s a shitty alliance. We know we’ll be stabbed in the back the minute the pendulum shifts and the liberals regain power.
Study (or live through) enough history and it’s easy to become bitter and disenchanted with the same old patterns of behavior. And while the true enemy of the left is the right, the liberals consistent betrayal leaves a stain.
Big picture, I think it comes down to frustration with our two-party system. Sure, other parties exist, but they aren’t logistically viable most of the time (especially in presidential elections).
Leftists feel alienated by both R and D, but theoretically they have a better chance to sway the party that’s ideologically closer to them (Democrats). It makes sense: if Repubs won’t listen to their concerns and constantly vote for fascism, they have to turn to Dems for help instead.
Unfortunately, they still go unheard by Dems most of the time. And some Dems even spend more time pandering to Repubs to more than leftists, which sparks even more outrage among leftists. They feel disenfranchised and underrepresented. It’s a perceived betrayal, so they get loud about it. Makes sense.
I think you are using a lot of inflammatory language that skew the reality a bit more necessity. The truth is that a vast majority of those leftists, myself included, actually do support Democrats in elections and generally agree with most talking points from the Democratic party. Many of the defections from the Democratic Party going on now are due to the party’s position on the genocide in Gaza. And so, it seems a bit silly to me to claim that leftists, whatever that term means, hate liberals and democrats when they very often support liberals and Democrats.
That being said, leftists absolutely do have criticism of the Democratic Party. Leftists certainly want to make their support for the Democratic Party more conditional and would like a larger voice within the Democratic Party. However, calling that hate is just internet drama. The internet thrives on extremes. The simple truth is, and I understand why many leftists and Democrats don’t like this, there is still a broad coalition between the two ideologies. That may be changing slowly, but again, hate is way too strong of a word here. Despite some real consequences, its ok for leftists to have profound disagreements with Democrats and it is ok for Democrats to be pragmatic in their approach at courting moderates.
They do. They make use of whatever space they can to make that known. It’s not most of them and sometimes I forget that. I remind myself whatever you see on the internet is a hyper exaggeration of a real person.
I view the political spectrum as circular. The extremes are much closer to each other than the center. There are lots of ways to debate the point, but it answers this question and sheds light on many others too.