The question more or less asks itself but I’ve heard liberals who have said someone’s rights shouldn’t be dependent on the state they live in. Would you accept a national limit at 15 weeks, which would improve the situation in a state like TX, even if it restricts abortion access further in a state like CA?
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The question more or less asks itself but I’ve heard liberals who have said someone’s rights shouldn’t be dependent on the state they live in. Would you accept a national limit at 15 weeks, which would improve the situation in a state like TX, even if it restricts abortion access further in a state like CA?
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Absolutely not. Women die under policies like this. It is not the purpose or the responsibility of the courts to make medical decisions. Policies like this have caused hospitals to refuse to remove a dead fetus resulting in the death of the mother. Even one such instance should tell you it’s a bad law.
No??? Why on earth would I support that??
When we say “someone’s rights shouldn’t be dependent on the state they live in” we mean they should have rights in every state, not that they should all equally not have rights in every state.
No. I don’t like ultra-specific limits without strong backing. Abortion is a medical procedure and should be a choice between a woman and her medical professional.
Absolutely not. Such a law would make a lot of implications for roe being legal- so give me back roe.
I honestly don’t give a shit what someone does with their body or life, as long as they leave me alone. I don’t understand Republicans obsession with controlling people. Do you guys really feel that limited in life to where you need to dictate what everybody else does?
If it’s due to religious reasons then that’s just ridiculous. Not everybody follows your religious beliefs nor should we have to. Make abortion legal and leave people the hell alone.
Absolutely not. Not even close. Hard no.
So when a pregnancy goes horribly wrong at 16 weeks and it’s killing the mother, but the fetus isn’t viable – she’s just supposed to what, die quietly?
Nope, I think it should be a private decision between the patient and medical provider, Oregon’s laws have it right imo.
Would you support a 15 week limit on cancer treatment? If your cancer isn’t gone by then, no more treatment? No. That would be a medical decision between you and your oncologist, right?
Why are people obsessed with limiting a medical procedure?
no. this isnt an issue I am willing to negotiate on. I do not support a limit, period
the compromise number would be like 24 weeks. and even then, I wouldnt support a law that forced states to ban at 24 weeks
Would you support mandatory circumcising? Vaccinations? Sterilizing of men and women not having kids?
Either you have rights, or you riot….ish. Gently.
No.
I think in practice most red states are going to end up with something like a 12 week limit on abortion regardless (or have a black market in abortion drugs that everyone is just turning a blind eye to). The exceptions are going to be places where people can reasonably travel to the next state over. We’re gaining basically nothing in blue states vs just letting democracy run it’s course.
People who are actually getting abortions post 15 weeks are almost always doing so for significant medical reasons of some sort. The travel costs of traveling to a blue state in those situations is probably going to be a relatively small portion of the financial burden when that is the case. Needing to travel to another country instead however likely changes that math considerably.
Nope. This is a medical and not a legal decision.
No. Why don’t you trust women and their healthcare providers to make the choices that work best for them? I trust women.
I need more information. I preferred Roe because it has limits at 12 and 24 weeks but with more detail. A blanket ban at 15 weeks would be very bad because many defects aren’t found until 16-18 week scans.
I wonder what kind of reaction you’d get if you went into more detail about what you mean. Because many voters (liberal or otherwise) have very important values about abortion that have nothing to do with gestation. I would never support an abortion law unless it:
I also think anti-choice ideas about legal consequences for abortion are barbaric. Would a national ban throw pregnant people in jail for an abortion at 16 weeks? Doctors?
I actually would compromise a lot if it could help women in Texas stop dying in hospital parking lots, but you are going to get reflexive pushback on this idea because it’s all that I mentioned above that actually prevents those things rather than gestation times
No. I do not support any limitations to abortion whatsoever. I understand I’m probably radical, but whatever.
If a woman wants to abort at week 36, it should be her prerogative. I personally would wonder why she waited so long, and would simply share that it would be easier to just give birth, but hey, it’s her body and her choice.
No. 15 is an arbitrary number.
The reason 20-24 makes sense is that depending on the data your using those are the time frame that you start to pass 50% survivability outside of the womb.
How bout no and just stay out of people’s healthcare?
Abortion on-demand has been within the 7-11 weeks window for decades, where I live. Thereafter, all abortions are medically-driven.
No, and only because it would hurt the women who need abortions most.
99+% of abortions are completed before the 15 week mark, including virtually all elective abortions, for funsies abortions just don’t happen that late. You will not find a doctor willing to perform late term abortions electively.
So, what this does is put an impediment in the way of women who need abortions medically… and that has a tendency to kill women, as we’ve seen in TX.
No. There shouldn’t be a ban full stop. And I’m sick of compromising with assholes who never, ever bargain in good faith
I actually might consider if it’s worded as “elective abortion” and also each state has “elective abortion” access up to 15 weeks (which means TX, GA, FL don’t have total or 6 week bans and CA, WA, NY also has “elective abortion” bans at 15 weeks).
Now note the wording “elective abortion”, states can enact any exception they want for abortions above 15 weeks.
This isn’t perfect mind you and I don’t think Republicans would vote for such a law federally (though I do think 10-15 Republicans – WI, PA, AK, MO, MO, UT, UT, WY, WY, OH, OH, KS, KS, MT, MT – could actually vote for it given their states have abortion access beyond 15 weeks).
I could see an argument that such a law described above which limits “elective abortion” up to 15 weeks in all states where all states have at-will abortion to 15 weeks is more equitable than the current post-Dobbs scenario. I don’t like 15 week abortion bans too, but the current post-Dobbs outlook doesn’t look workable long-term and I can’t see red states legalizing at the state level given how gerrymandered to shit states like GA, FL, TX, IA are.
If it was a choice between a nationwide absolute abortion ban or a nationwide 15 week abortion ban…maybe, but not happily.
It doesn’t really solve the issues we have now with the current system, at least not on its own. How will the ban be enforced? Will there be provisions to protect pregnant people who miscarry after 15 weeks or those who have medical issues that pop up after 15 weeks? The majority of late term abortions are for medical reasons, after all.
Honestly, the anti-abortion crowd, if they really wanted to get rid of abortion and “save” more babies, needs to focus more on policies that support pregnant people and prevent unwanted pregnancy. No abortion bans although maybe we can promote alternatives to abortion to those considering it. Better quality of and increased access to healthcare for pregnant people during and after pregnancy. More research into women’s health issues and pregnancy (did you know we don’t even know what triggers labor in humans?). More doctors who listen to women when they talk about their health issues especially those related to reproduction (so conditions such as endometriosis can be caught before they cause sterility, for instance). Comprehensive sex ed for teenagers, so they know the real risks of sex, how pregnancy happens, and how to prevent it. Let more families adopt, more than just straight white conventionally attractive heteronormative couples. And so forth.